Stalin: Napoleon
Trotsky: Snowball
Lenin: Major/Napoleon
- Do you think that people living in any community can even truly be equal?
Martha Schick: There will always be people that are going to take power if the opportunity is available, and there will always be people with a greater amount of more valuable skills. If, let's say, this class overthrew Wojo and started teaching our own class, I would be the first to try and organize it. I would be a Napoleon.
Brianna Glase: I agree that it would be impossible for everyone to be equal after a period of time, because power is tempting and corrupting and someone would definitely want to take control.
Becca Kotula: People could never be truly equal because everyone's just different already.
- Do communities need leaders, or do leaders cause more trouble than they are worth?
Martha Schick: Communities need leaders or else people will come about power in a way that people will take advantage of. In general, any leader can take advantage of power, but if leaders are elected fairly instead of pretending that they don't exist there's less of a chance that they'll try to take over.
Becca Kotula: I don't think you can be with or without a leader, kind of. You need a leader, because if you don't have a leader nothing will get done and everyone will just do what they want, but if you have a leader they'll end up making some bad decisions and there will be people who don't like him. But communities need leaders because eventually they'll please most of the people.
Brianna Glase: Leaders are important because without them there wouldn't really be any control over all the people.
Martha Schick: Communities need leaders or else people will come about power in a way that people will take advantage of. In general, any leader can take advantage of power, but if leaders are elected fairly instead of pretending that they don't exist there's less of a chance that they'll try to take over.
Becca Kotula: I don't think you can be with or without a leader, kind of. You need a leader, because if you don't have a leader nothing will get done and everyone will just do what they want, but if you have a leader they'll end up making some bad decisions and there will be people who don't like him. But communities need leaders because eventually they'll please most of the people.
Brianna Glase: Leaders are important because without them there wouldn't really be any control over all the people.
- What is more important: the rights of the community or the rights of the individual?
Martha Schick: The rights of the individual are more important. Without rights of an individual, there wouldn't be able to be any change. You can't get an entire community to agree, especially if you're not allowed to try and get the community to agree.
Brianna Glase: I say that the rights of the community are more important because of the idea of the greater good and the benefit for an entire group of people as opposed to just one person.
Becca Kotula: I think that the rights of the individual are important because if individuals don't have rights then everyone will be angry and just try and fight for their rights.
Brianna Glase: If there's too big a focus on individual rights that could lead to the idea that everyone's equal, but some people are more equal and others and they think that their rights are more important than everyone else's, which could lead to divisions and inequality.
Martha Schick: The rights of the individual are more important. Without rights of an individual, there wouldn't be able to be any change. You can't get an entire community to agree, especially if you're not allowed to try and get the community to agree.
Brianna Glase: I say that the rights of the community are more important because of the idea of the greater good and the benefit for an entire group of people as opposed to just one person.
Becca Kotula: I think that the rights of the individual are important because if individuals don't have rights then everyone will be angry and just try and fight for their rights.
Brianna Glase: If there's too big a focus on individual rights that could lead to the idea that everyone's equal, but some people are more equal and others and they think that their rights are more important than everyone else's, which could lead to divisions and inequality.
- If it benefits society, should bad things be allowed to happen to good people?
Martha Schick: No. I mean, take Libya for example. You can't look at it as obviously everyone thinks Gaddafi is insane but the way he thinks about it he thinks that if he puts down the rebels then everything will return to normal, but if the community was doing well then you wouldn't have to kill all these people anyway.
Becca Kotula: No, nothing should be allowed to happen to the individual because then the community could be scared if they start killing people, and then they won't like their leader more and more. If you hurt one individual for the community, then everyone will be affected.
Brianna Glase: I disagree again, and I think that the greater good is more important than just one person. Say there was a crazy ax murderer killing a bunch of people, would you rather put that one guy to death or let him go on a rampage and kill a bunch more people or just kill the one guy and save everyone else?
Martha Schick: You could put him in jail for life. It costs less money to put someone in jail for life than to kill him, so putting him to death would be less money for the community anyway.
Brianna Glase: But it's not like they would take a collection for his death, they have the tax money anyway.
Martha Schick: Yeah, but if they put a bunch of people to death they'd have to raise taxes, especially in a small community.
Brianna Glase: That's true. But still, what if he was rich and could bail himself out of jail?
Martha Schick: If he committed a bad enough felony, the judge wouldn't allow bail.
Brianna Glase:For purpose of debate, what if he didn't kill that many people and he could afford the bail?
Martha Schick: Don't you think the judge would be aware of the fact that he had a lot of money? The judge is not gonna give him the option to easily walk back out on the street and kill more people.
Martha Schick: No. I mean, take Libya for example. You can't look at it as obviously everyone thinks Gaddafi is insane but the way he thinks about it he thinks that if he puts down the rebels then everything will return to normal, but if the community was doing well then you wouldn't have to kill all these people anyway.
Becca Kotula: No, nothing should be allowed to happen to the individual because then the community could be scared if they start killing people, and then they won't like their leader more and more. If you hurt one individual for the community, then everyone will be affected.
Brianna Glase: I disagree again, and I think that the greater good is more important than just one person. Say there was a crazy ax murderer killing a bunch of people, would you rather put that one guy to death or let him go on a rampage and kill a bunch more people or just kill the one guy and save everyone else?
Martha Schick: You could put him in jail for life. It costs less money to put someone in jail for life than to kill him, so putting him to death would be less money for the community anyway.
Brianna Glase: But it's not like they would take a collection for his death, they have the tax money anyway.
Martha Schick: Yeah, but if they put a bunch of people to death they'd have to raise taxes, especially in a small community.
Brianna Glase: That's true. But still, what if he was rich and could bail himself out of jail?
Martha Schick: If he committed a bad enough felony, the judge wouldn't allow bail.
Brianna Glase:For purpose of debate, what if he didn't kill that many people and he could afford the bail?
Martha Schick: Don't you think the judge would be aware of the fact that he had a lot of money? The judge is not gonna give him the option to easily walk back out on the street and kill more people.
- Explain whether or not you think this is true: all John Carroll students are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Martha Schick: That is completely true. Regardless of whether you divide it by student government, the classes, student popularity, whether they're in AP or honors classes, there will always be students who are better than others at something. The people who are good at sports, the people who are in student government, the people who are unmotivated won't get the same opportunities as others. This class isn't equal to a regular history class, but there might be sports people in that other class who are headed to the Junior Olympics. There will always be people who are better than others at something.
Becca Kotula: I agree with the some are more equal than others. We're all students, but there are different ways of measuring how equal we are. There's different levels of equality.
Brianna Glase: I agree with both of you, because to a certain extent we're all equal, like we're all American citizens mostly and we have American rights, and we're mostly all in the middle class area, but within the school there are divisions and differences between us all.
Martha Schick: That is completely true. Regardless of whether you divide it by student government, the classes, student popularity, whether they're in AP or honors classes, there will always be students who are better than others at something. The people who are good at sports, the people who are in student government, the people who are unmotivated won't get the same opportunities as others. This class isn't equal to a regular history class, but there might be sports people in that other class who are headed to the Junior Olympics. There will always be people who are better than others at something.
Becca Kotula: I agree with the some are more equal than others. We're all students, but there are different ways of measuring how equal we are. There's different levels of equality.
Brianna Glase: I agree with both of you, because to a certain extent we're all equal, like we're all American citizens mostly and we have American rights, and we're mostly all in the middle class area, but within the school there are divisions and differences between us all.
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